RV adventures on America’s first good road - Highway 89
An epic adventure from Canada to Mexico
This week on the StressLess Camping RV Podcast, we visit with Natalie and Brian from Basecamp Blue Sky, who share their road trip on Highway 89. This was called America’s First Good Road and it’s beautiful - Natalie and Brian have some great tips and videos.
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Jason Epperson’s news report covering a study on RVers
The book on US Highway 89 that inspired Brian and Natalie
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Automated transcript of StressLess Camping RV podcast episode 295
Peggy Barthel
This week on the Stressless Camping RV podcast, we visit with Natalie and Brian from Base Camp Blue Sky.
Tony Barthel
They share their epic road trip along Highway 89. Highway 89 was called America's First Good Road. And it is BI. Beautiful.
Peggy Barthel
Natalie and Brian have some great tips and videos. We also this week have a great couples camper that you might like in our weekly RV review.
Tony Barthel
We have this week's podcast, along with the notes and all the stories that go with this episode, along with discounts, deals, helpful tips, and more at our home on the web, at stressless camping.com.
Peggy Barthel
Don't forget to like and share. And thank you for joining us for podcast episode 2 95.
Tony Barthel
I'm Tony. I'm
Peggy Barthel
Peggy.
Tony Barthel
And we're two RV industry veterans who travel part-time
Peggy Barthel
In a Rockwood mini light 25 0 6,
Tony Barthel
Looking to share big adventures and help you with great tips, tricks, and discounts.
Peggy Barthel
Hey, let's raise a beverage 'cause we're going stress less camping. Our
Tony Barthel
Friend Jason Epperson from RV Miles did a really good in depth video about a new study that came out from basically the RV industry and how it reflects RVs are getting younger and they're traveling more and they're actually using their RVs more. And it's a really interesting study. So we're gonna put a link in the show notes to his video, but if you have any curiosity about, well, who the heck is going RVing, it's a great video.
Tony Barthel
Something that, yes ma'am.
Peggy Barthel
You said RVs are getting younger? I am. I did. Is there like something I could eat or drink <laugh> or rub on my skin to let that happen to me? <laugh> <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
Well, unfortunately,
Peggy Barthel
Oh, younger people are RVing. Yeah. Oh darn. Okay. Yeah. <laugh>, oh, well, I'm sorry. I interrupted something you were gonna say <laugh>. Well,
Tony Barthel
Something that, there's a lot of takeaways from this video and one of the things is the number of people traveling with pets <affirmative>, and it had been assumed. And you know what that means? That it's about 60%, but it, according to this survey, it's more in the forties. So, you know, do you travel with pets? Do you have Epic pet? Do you have EpiPen adventures,
Peggy Barthel
Epic
Tony Barthel
Pet Adventures? Will Tony learn how to talk?
Peggy Barthel
Who knows? Who
Tony Barthel
Knows
Peggy Barthel
<laugh> In the meantime, you can tell by our background that we are
Tony Barthel
Is your refrigerator running <laugh>?
Peggy Barthel
Yes, all of them. We are at our sticks and bricks.
Tony Barthel
Actually, we also have a garage
Peggy Barthel
Fridge. Oh, we have a refrigerator in the house. Obviously we turn that off when we leave and we put a 12 volt cooler in the garage
Tony Barthel
Because our refrigerator in the house is a piece of junk. It
Peggy Barthel
Is kind of a junk. So we turn it off. And so we haven't transferred everything from the garage to the house, and we haven't transferred everything from the mini light to the house. So we're actually running three refrigerators right now.
Tony Barthel
My gosh. But you know what's good is one of those refrigerators, the one in the mini light is just being powered by the sun. Yep. Although there ain't no sun today, but, well,
Peggy Barthel
It's weak, but it's there. It's,
Tony Barthel
Yeah, it's on vacation.
Peggy Barthel
But the great thing is we never have to worry about having enough battery power to run the 12 volt refrigerator in the camper because of our solar and lithium system that we got from a, B, C Upfitters.
Tony Barthel
Yep. We took our trailer directly from the dealership Right. To a B, C Up Outfitters and had them install all of their master vote parts. The nice thing is these master vote parts, if you haven't heard first, how come you haven't been listening to us all long? Yeah. But, but more than
Peggy Barthel
That, maybe they're just new <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
Oh, well, welcome
Peggy Barthel
<laugh>,
Tony Barthel
Where you been. No, seriously, the master vote parts come out of the marine industry and really there's not much tolerance for failure when you're out on the water. And so these are really first class components installed by people who really know what they're doing. And you may have had a friend who installed a system or maybe even tried it yourself, and it's nothing but frustrating. Well, our system from a b, c fitters, they installed it. We haven't turned anything off since it was installed.
Tony Barthel
And it, it just works. So if that's the kind of experience you would like,
Peggy Barthel
Give our friends at a BC fitters a call at (574) 333-3225.
Tony Barthel
That's 5 7 4 3, 3 3, 3, 2, 2 5. Or we have more information along with a video interview and, and other details at our home on the web@stresslesscamping.com.
Peggy Barthel
So this week we are speaking to Natalie and Brian. Now, Natalie has known Tony since he was in high school. Yeah, yeah. Was I hold that against you?
Tony Barthel
So it was so weird how she comes up to us while we're camping and she's like, I know you from high school. And I'm like, who in the wide, wide world of sports are
Peggy Barthel
You
Tony Barthel
<laugh>? And it turns out I went to high school with her <laugh>.
Peggy Barthel
So, so Natalie and Brian have a YouTube channel called Base Camp Blue Sky. I know they have other things too that Tony will tell us about. But Base Camp Blue Sky is where Natalie and Brian tell about their story on Highway 89. They actually traversed the entire length of Highway 89, which is known as the first Good Road.
Tony Barthel
And it goes border to border. Yes. It goes from Canada to Mexico or from Mexico to Canada, depending on where you're leaving from. Right. <laugh> and it, it's, there are some beautiful sections of, of Highway 89. So join us virtually on Highway 89. We are with Brian and Natalie from Base Camp Blue Sky, and I've known Natalie for a year or two, maybe a little longer. We went to high school together. Yeah. And they have done a video series about Highway 89, and Natalie said, Hey, do you wanna, do you wanna find out more about Highway 89?
Tony Barthel
I'm like, we, of course. So Brian and Natalie, welcome. Thank
Brian & Natalie
You. We're happy to be here.
Tony Barthel
Well, let's start with Highway 89, because I think, you know, people are so focused on like Route 66 and that sort of thing, but Highway 89 has an interesting designation.
Brian & Natalie
You probably driven on part of it at some point in your travels and were aware of it, but you probably weren't aware that it was as long as it is. Yeah, we were actually on
Tony Barthel
It on Sunday. <laugh>
Brian & Natalie
Every, everybody, I mean, anybody who has traveled around the Southwest has been on Highway 89 at one point or another and just didn't realize that it goes from border to border and what a great road that it is. Yeah. We kind of, you know, if, if you wanna get into the backstory, it's, we were on that same agent I section going through Bryce and going through Yellowstone and and such.
Brian & Natalie
And one of the, one of the nights, you know, we looked at a map and then, and there was an aha moment that says, Hey look, this road goes all the way, all the way. Wouldn't that be fun to do <laugh>? So that was like three years ago, and here we are, you know, having done it. And it took us probably a year and a half of figuring out how we were gonna do it to get, to get it done. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
And, and so how did you do it? Tell us a little about the, the tools and the, and the trip.
Brian & Natalie
Well, somewhere along the line, get that book right there, show that book. She found a book, Natalie found a book on Amazon that had something to do with Highway 89 that somebody opera wrote maybe 15 years ago. And so that was kind of a, the other side of the inspiration was <affirmative> studied that book, studied the map, studied how we were going to, going to do it, and basically decided we didn't wanna do it in the middle of summer <laugh>, because that's when everybody, you know, it's even harder to get campsites and such.
Brian & Natalie
And we said, okay, we wanted to do it on each show on either shoulder season. And so we decided really to do it in the fall because we wanted to, to be cool in the, or warm enough in the north and cool enough in the south by the time.
Peggy Barthel
Right,
Brian & Natalie
Right. Versus in the spring, you know, you can go the other way and it'll probably work out too. But we did a couple spring tours into the north a couple years ago, and darn it, things just don't open up until July sometimes <affirmative>. And so that was kind of hit, we couldn't go up into a south to north route without knowing that, you know, going to the Sun Road was closed because we've done that before and it's like, ah, that's the primary thing to <inaudible> when you get out the glacier.
Brian & Natalie
So we chose the, the southern direction and started six months in advance trying to make reservations. And soon as you get a couple of those reservations pinned, then you can start filling in the rest of the roof.
Tony Barthel
Okay. And you traveled the route in a Super Sea towing a Jeep,
Brian & Natalie
Correct? Yep. That's our, that's our camper, that's our base camp. It's called Base Camp
Peggy Barthel
<laugh>
Tony Barthel
<laugh>,
Brian & Natalie
Even our license plate. The base camp. Yeah.
Peggy Barthel
Okay. And you did that, like you went to the very north edge of Highway 89 and did the whole thing in one trip, right?
Brian & Natalie
Correct. Well, technically, yes. <laugh> <laugh>, we did, we drove every mile of Highway 89 from Canada to Mexico. Yeah. The RV may not have done the whole, all of the miles, but you know, we didn't drive the RV all the way up to the border. You know, we stuff that the, the RV was, was base camp, you know, it was in Glacier. We drove the Jeep to the border, you know, and so yeah, the RV and the Jeep, but between them did, did all of the roads
Peggy Barthel
<affirmative>, the humans did the
Tony Barthel
Whole route. Yeah. The humans and the cameras did. And so speaking of cameras, you've, you documented the whole adventure and are sharing that on YouTube in pieces every week you have a new episode.
Brian & Natalie
Correct? Every week we're up to six as we speak right here. And the original idea was probably an eight or 10 episode series, but golly, by the time we started, you know, filming and stopping at all these really cool places, heck, I think we're going to be 14, 15, 16 by the time of that. This is so much stuff. We, we, we recorded almost five terabytes of, of didn't trip alone.
Brian & Natalie
And so that's just, you know, that's a lot of, a lot of clips and a lot of, a lot of data and a lot of places we stopped at a lot of places, stopped at a lot of places. They did a lot of stuff along the way. Yeah. That's
Peggy Barthel
Awesome. And how long did the whole trip take?
Brian & Natalie
We allowed ourselves two months. Yeah. Okay. To do, to do the whole thing. So, which is, which is a dream to be able Yeah. One on the road to be able to document everything that we did and things that are along Highway eight and nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It took a little less than that, but yeah,
Tony Barthel
I mean, I have to give you credit. It is cinematically, it, it's just so well done. The videos, the, not just the, the visuals, but the editing, the vo, the whole package is just exceptional. Do you have a background in production or,
Brian & Natalie
I'd like to <laugh> No, he,
Peggy Barthel
He does now.
Brian & Natalie
He does not. He learns by doing, he's a race car engineer by trade, so this is very different from what he used to do. Yeah. This is a complete left turn. And as far as our careers go, <laugh>
Tony Barthel
Wow, that's a, I mean, it truly is exceptional work. I was just really, I was watching them pretty much all morning this morning, <laugh>, and I just really was enjoying the, you know, the whole thing. You've got the whole package nailed down. I'm, I'm just really impressed.
Brian & Natalie
Well, thank you. And part of it is we, we went into this venture and wanted to be kind of a documentary, you know, a docuseries. I wanted to, less, less about us and more about the road. And that's been a challenge for sure. It's been trying to show off the road so that people are interested and see places that they can possibly piece together their own trips, but not show the road. We're just not going down the road and showing a hundred percent path forward to the next spot.
Brian & Natalie
I didn't want that to happen either. So luckily I think there was, there's enough places to stop every hour or so to visually have, you know, to dinosaurs, you know, who up thought that there was a dinosaur placed in Montana, you know, well, visually that was, that was really cool. It was just a cool stop. I mean, we found quite a few of really cool stops that visually give you a, an idea of Yeah, I'd like to bring you kids here or something.
Tony Barthel
Do you have a few more maybe to share with us, you know, that like, if you're gonna do this, don't miss,
Brian & Natalie
I think the main point of Highway 89 is the national parks. We, we visited seven national parks along the route. And who doesn't love going to our national parks? Yeah. I mean, they're, they're always the highlight. And we tried to spend extra time when we could at these national parks and, and I think those are the highlights. Those are the big rocks, right? Yeah.
Tony Barthel
<laugh> Yeah.
Brian & Natalie
Together a a trip. Those were the hard ones. Those were the popular ones. There's a lot of people there and trying to tin it around, trying to really tin it around. And part of the other idea here is, you know, we're calling it the first good road. Well, here we are in episode, I'm working on seven and eight and nine right now, and we haven't even gotten to the idea of why it's called a Good Road <laugh>. You know, we've told a story that says this road hasn't existed since, you know, native Americans walked on the earth.
Brian & Natalie
You know, so this path is a pretty important path. And there's lots of stuff. I mean, if you just say, I'm gonna go to Glacier and hit Yellowstone at the Tetons in a, in a, in a lap somehow if you're holiday, there's plenty of things to do between all of them.
Brian & Natalie
Right. Okay. Why, why do they call this the first good road? Well, they call it that because this road was, was built right around when all the national parks for glaciers and the Yellowstones and the Tetons in the early teens of a country. Well, what are we driving then? We were driving model teams, right? Yeah. We were driving wagon ruts, you know, and mud and muck trying to get to these places. And because we had a, a, a flurry of activity around cars and automobiles, people wanted to go camping, you know, they wanted to get out and see their country.
Brian & Natalie
So the little towns around, you know, the gateway towns around these new national monuments were trying to promote, come on out, and then see these national monuments by car, because we've got good roads. And they tried to promote that the roads were good, so you can come out and not get stuck <laugh>. And so Highway 89 was really one of the first good roads in the West that allowed cars to get to some of these fantastic parks back in the, you know, the early teens and twenties.
Tony Barthel
Huh, interesting. Yeah, that was, that was what I was, you know, alluding to that, it's called The First Good Road. And so it's interesting how it got that name. And you're right, I mean, back in the olden days, you, you look at the, the paths probably as the best description. And they were terrible. <laugh>
Brian & Natalie
Well, the interstate system was kind of, when was the interstate system in the forties, thirties and forties?
Tony Barthel
Fifties? I think it was in the fifties.
Brian & Natalie
I mean, highways and interstates. This is pre, pre pre highways and interstates. Right. And so 89 may not have even been called 89 back then, but it was called The First Good Road. And they marketed it east just like advertising. You know, they advertise, Hey, come on out and, and see the, the, the paint pots or the, the glaciers or whatever, you know, they were trying to market. And, and I think that's how, you know, they marketed it, is we had, we have a good road to get there.
Brian & Natalie
And that's kind of when the trains, you know, everybody did railroads and we see a lot of evidence of railroad activity. You know, obviously all the big lodges were all built by the railroads. Yeah. And so that's how people got to them originally. But now we have this influx of automobile traffic. And, and that's how I think maybe one of the first things, or one of the, one of the things that made America change to automobiles was having good roads and inviting people out to be, you know, camping and, and tourists.
Brian & Natalie
Right. To see these new national parks. Yeah, yeah,
Tony Barthel
Yeah. And then you could, you know, you could go when you want and stay as long as you want or bypass things. So yeah. The car was so convenient. And then now we have these fantastic RVs.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. The roads changed and we have 'em, and, but the roads are the same. You know, that's, that's the other side of it. This road is the same road. It might have been paved a couple times since then. <laugh>. Yeah. <laugh>. But <inaudible>. And, and one of the things that was really interesting that I saw is about every a hundred miles there was a big enough town to supply your needs. Right? Well, back then, what was a car doing? 35, 30 miles an hour. Right?
Brian & Natalie
So you get half a day, four or five hours, you're only a hundred and so miles away from where you were. Right. And so, man, every a hundred ish miles, there's a, a capital, you know, a a a major city along the same road. And why is those cities there? Well, I think some of them were established because of automobile.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Well, and maybe even further back. 'cause about a hundred miles, about as far as you're getting with a steam engine before you're filling it with water again. Sure.
Brian & Natalie
Absolutely. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah. The train, because Yes.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Which, which I always am fascinated by. Yeah. <laugh> on the adventure. What was like the best thing you, you enjoyed while you were traversing 89?
Brian & Natalie
Well, my biggest surprise that I found that we did not know was there in Utah, there is a skyline Drive south of Salt Lake City, but north of Highway I 70 and the Skyline Drive, you know, we love taking our Jeep up these drives. And so we went on this skyline drive into the mountains at the top of this ridge and had a picnic lunch. And we're like, how did we not know this was here? <laugh>, right.
Brian & Natalie
Utah's not that far away from, from our home base. And we did not know that was there. And it was a great day of driving up there in the mountains.
Tony Barthel
Hmm. That's pretty cool. Nice.
Brian & Natalie
They were pretty easy to get to. Yeah. Yeah. What, what, what surprised you there? Did you find something that, I don't know. I, I think some of these big rocks, I, I loved Glacier. We were up there for almost a week, you know, first getting there and then filming and coming out of it. But Glacier was awesome. I mean, glacier is awesome. If you get a leap to spend around there, any way you go in is awesome. We all know Yellowstones, actually, we all know the Te Tops are awesome.
Brian & Natalie
Bryce is one of my favorite. We all know. That's awesome. You know, when we're back to national parks and these, they're awesome. You know, these national parks are a good pool.
Tony Barthel
This isn't such a bad place to live.
Brian & Natalie
<laugh>. Right.
Brian & Natalie
Coming up as Stuck Skin Gulch down in Near Page. Yeah. Between Page and <inaudible>. That was probably one of my highlights. 'cause it was a, a really cool height. It must have rained a day or two before. So there was these five D puddles that I had to get through to keep on going, you know? And so my boots and my shoes and my socks were all absolutely junk. <laugh>. Right. Ugly.
Brian & Natalie
But Butkin Gulch is a slot Canyon slot. Yes. It's one of the famous slot cans in the area. You have to get a permit to go there and, and all that. So really it's a hike. Yeah. Through the flood. And that was probably one of my, just a personal experience that was, that was really cool. It was <inaudible>. Yeah. That's coming a couple weeks. <laugh> <laugh>,
Tony Barthel
Like I said, looking forward to that.
Brian & Natalie
And just keep going. We just start, we just talked about the next three episodes coming up and it's like, oh my gosh, I was hoping to get that all into one, but I don't wanna do a two hour episode. I'm trying to keep 'em all around 30 minutes and 10 out without, I don't know, without telling a story. And that's, that's the other side of it. I'm trying to tell a story every week that is, you know, a continuous story of something new. You know, we're going this place here and it's close, so why, you know, it's just lots of stuff going on.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
As I said, it's just so well done. I was really, really impressed. But then on the other side, what's the worst part of the, any, any funny things that happen where it's like, whoa. Oh, <laugh> <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
The, the Yellowstone episode. Because there was two things that happened in the Yellowstone issue. Oh yeah. We had a, had a tow bar issue and a couple of U-turns. I don't know if that's the worst. Yeah, no. If that's the worst that happened, then that's fine. That's
Peggy Barthel
Not bad. Yeah, right. That's, yeah.
Brian & Natalie
The worst is we only had one night there, <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
Oh yeah. Okay. That one night
Brian & Natalie
Episode is not enough. Yeah. And then having problems, compounding it, getting into the park, you know, it just, you know, we ended up not getting settled until, you know, five or six. And then, well, we had plants and we're only there for one night to go to, you know, bang, bang, hit stuff and <laugh> and it just didn't, it was, it was a tough, it was a tough night, you know, one day you won't be else from day,
Peggy Barthel
But it's, they're not moving. It's
Tony Barthel
Still there. Yeah. It's still there.
Peggy Barthel
Should go back, right, <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
That's right. That's right. We'll be back. Yeah. That's probably an important thought. You know, don't try to do everything on, on your trip. You know, you gotta leave a few things out so that we have something to go to next time.
Tony Barthel
That's something we've done with Route 66. We've traversed that and we keep going back to places where it's like, oh, we need to explore more. Now I'm gonna guess that your style of travel is a lot of outdoor recreation and hiking and that sort of thing.
Brian & Natalie
We like to do that. We like to put the Jeep out. We're not hardcore jeepers, but we do like going off road. Yeah. We're not hardcore hikers either. You know, <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. See, we, we traveled to find the ridiculous, so like a big appeal for us was the Muffler Man museum. Or at least for me, I, I <laugh> that stupid stuff. I just love that cheesy Americana stuff. And
Peggy Barthel
While we do like the beauty of the nature of
Tony Barthel
Oh
Peggy Barthel
Of course. You know, going somewhere off, you know, hiking a little bit. We don't do it very often. And luckily all that goofy stuff, like muffler men and giant roller skates, and that stuff's usually right there on the road where we can see <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
Well, one, if you find it, I want. Yeah. Yeah. We're getting more and more into that
Tony Barthel
<laugh>. It's, I don't know, there's just something about it that
Peggy Barthel
Maybe it appeals to us because we don't have to walk very far to get to it. Well
Tony Barthel
That, no, I just, somehow it's just the idea that there's some company out there that decided we're gonna make 21 foot tall dudes and
Brian & Natalie
Do you guys know the app Atlas Obscura? Yeah. That's how you find the good stuff. Find the
Peggy Barthel
Good stuff.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. So we need that along our trip too. And we stopped at a couple. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, everything you can do, every tool you have to use, you got use. Right?
Peggy Barthel
Sure. <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Yeah. The obscure is good. We use Rrb roadside. Yeah. Roadside America rv.
Peggy Barthel
The app's called Roadside Byside America. Oh, that's right. That's right. But those are the things like, you know, James Dean died here, you know, Marilyn Monroe slept here, those kind of Americana kitschy stuff.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
But, but then finding that, like the place that you said that going up and this beautiful setting, did you have any tools you used? Or was that some happenstance or just a mixture of all of that?
Brian & Natalie
I think it's a mix. It it, it's a mix of all of that. But finding Skyline Drive, we happened to cross the billboard that said, you know, stay, stay with us. We're the gateway to the Skyline Drive. So it's like an immediate, whoa, look at that. That's quick. Look at that <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
So we did and it was like, oh, we're gonna have to do that. And luckily the way we scheduled a trip, I mean, we scheduled this trip six, eight months in advance. Right. Because that's what you gotta do these days. And some of those stays are one nights and some of 'em are two nights and some of 'em are three nights, depending on, you know, where we were in the room. This one actually, I think we stayed at there two nights. So we had a full day to do something, you know, and it's out in the middle of nowhere. And I don't even think we have an idea of what we were gonna do until we passed that billboard.
Peggy Barthel
Mm. Okay. Yeah.
Brian & Natalie
You know, we're traveling and we're spontaneous about some of this stuff.
Tony Barthel
That's important too. So. Well, any tips you have for our audience on, on planning something like this? Other than of course, watch your videos. Right?
Brian & Natalie
Well watch YouTube in general. Isn't it <laugh>? We won't pop up YouTube and see who's been there. That's right. We watched a lot of YouTubes from other folks who have been there, but you know, no, nobody is talking about 89 as a trip as you would 66 or highway one along the coast. All great stuff and all worthy of it. But, you know, why isn't 89 a thing? So we used a lot of things, camp Tanium, recreation.gov. We used a lot of tools to set it up.
Brian & Natalie
What, what's our tip is, is don't try to pack everything in Yeah. During one trip. Don't pack it in because then you might get stressed out. We don't wanna stress. Right. No, we,
Peggy Barthel
We wanna stressed less <laugh>. That's
Brian & Natalie
Right. You know, do what you can enjoy what you do do. And hopefully you get to go back at a future date. Yeah. If you learn about something love you win. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Sometimes these longer trips are sort of like the, the appetizer at the buffet, right. It's, you go and you're like seeing things and then it's like, oh, I need to go back here. I need to go back there. And,
Peggy Barthel
Or like when you go to a new city and you take that red bus or the troll Oh yeah. That shows you all the things. And then the next day you go, I wanna see that again. And that again. And that again. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
That's what we did in New Orleans.
Peggy Barthel
New Orleans, Sedona. Yeah. S New York. I've done it
Brian & Natalie
Lot like that. Absolutely. Because we're doing the same thing. You know, we're, like I said, we're sometimes we're a couple of days or a one day, and then sometimes those one days aren't long enough to do what you found out that happens with be there.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Yeah. That's so true.
Peggy Barthel
So I think you are planning another trip, but on a different highway. <laugh>,
Brian & Natalie
We, we are, we are, this, this coming summer we are driving to Alaska. And so we're, we're taking a tour, we're going with a group and going on one of the big tours, but we're taking three weeks to get to the start of the tour and a good two weeks after the tour to do other stuff. So that's what I'm planning right now, spending most of my time is doing the pre and post planning and then going to Alaska, which is gonna be so much fun.
Brian & Natalie
He's never been, I flew to Anchorage once, he's never been. And now we get to take our own RV and Jeep and it's gonna be so much fun. Oh,
Peggy Barthel
That'll be great. That's
Tony Barthel
Great. And hopefully, well, I assume of course you're doing the video on that you're, you know, capturing video as you go.
Brian & Natalie
That's our plan, because that should be great. Yeah. I, I kind of looking at this 89 trip as a warmup <laugh>. Ooh. Right. Does it work? People like the style. 'cause this is a new style for what I wanted to do, and I don't know if I wanna do that same style when they go, you know, go to Alaska. I think it might be more about us and our friends than the actual road, per se. Yeah.
Peggy Barthel
When you're going in a group, it's hard to ignore the fact that you're with a group. Right. <laugh> <laugh>. Yeah.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. So that, that will be interesting. How do, how do you feel when there's, could be a bunch of other people around? Well, it, it's kind of a tour where you do your own thing. Yeah. It's not, it's not a rigid tour. The only thing rigid about it is the mice where you stop. Yeah. There, there's plenty anywhere we're gonna stop every night, otherwise we are, we're on our own to do our own. Yeah. Oh, okay. What we wanna go see for the day. So it's kind of a mix between the tour and doing our own thing. Right. And that thing that's, that might be part of a Stressless thing too, is you just book a tour that's open like that so you don't have to worry about finding all these campgrounds.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. And the right, and the reservations are made and, and they're, you know, usually when there's a bunch of people, some people have really great insight into like, when you're here, you gotta go see this or eat there, or whatever it is.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We heard our Wagon master has a book this big of knowledge <laugh>. Oh
Peggy Barthel
Man. Which,
Tony Barthel
Which tour are you going with?
Brian & Natalie
We're going with Fantasy RV tours and it's called Alaska, Norway.
Tony Barthel
You know, every year we go to Quartzite and one of the, one of the presenters is the Fantasy RV tour people. And those are always a Pac 10. Yeah. There's, I mean, you can tell that. And there's usually a bunch of people in that audience who have been and just rave. I have, I have yet to hear anybody say anything but praise for fan the way fantasy does things.
Brian & Natalie
I, I've heard nothing but good too. And, and we can't wait to get started. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, it's important to note that really it's an open book as far as what you do when you get to your destination. And heck, that's taken us a lot of research too. <laugh>, you know, it takes a lot of <inaudible> what you wanna do when you get there. Sure, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's lots of olives. A lot of people have gone up and back and have put it out onto YouTube. So there is lots of resources.
Tony Barthel
<affirmative>. Yeah. The one, the one thing I have taken away, of course the, the scenery is exceptional, but drive slowly 'cause of the snow peeves or whatever.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. The frost. Frost heaps.
Tony Barthel
Frost heaps. Yeah. Yeah.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. Good.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Although you have quite the rig, so you, you're not as, you know,
Brian & Natalie
We've taken our super down some roads that maybe it shouldn't be down, but o otherwise the supersede is a really nice way to travel. Yeah. A little lumpy. It's not as quiet as a, you know, a pickup truck. You know, we had a fifth wheel before and so the to fifth wheel of our pickup truck, and man the nice inside of that, and this isn't quite asm, but it's pretty nice.
Tony Barthel
Those things are pretty neat. So
Peggy Barthel
That makes me wonder, have you ever had to, have you ever gotten into a situation where like, get out one of us drives the Jeep and one of us drives a motor home 'cause this is too much road for towing?
Brian & Natalie
Not yet. Okay, good. We could see how that could certainly happen at some point. I know, I know other people have been to Alaska and that has happened. We're like, oh, we gotta do a U-turn. Well we gotta unhook first. Right. To make this U-turn so we know it can happen and we're ready. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably the biggest, the challenge is Yeah. We can't back up. Yeah, that's true. We definitely have walkie talkie and anytime we're going down places and going into small campsites, definitely.
Brian & Natalie
We used in walkie talkies.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. There was a place, and I think it was episode five of your video, about 89, where the campsite had a road so narrow that there was a, someone with a diesel pusher and they couldn't open the slides. Oh. Which was <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
Yes. That was in Culture Bay in Grand Tetons. Yeah. Yes. <laugh>. Yeah. Like we don't wanna stay in that section. Yeah. Well, you know, back to these national arts being built in the twenties and the teens.
Peggy Barthel
Right. They
Brian & Natalie
Built the, the campgrounds around what was then. Right. So yeah. They might have qualified 'em a little bit. Those spots in some of these places are ridiculous. They're hardly even a pickup truck that fit in them. Yeah. <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. There, there are some tight spots Yeah. Out there.
Brian & Natalie
So that's part of, we're not really doing this to, to tell you, you know, this campground is good or that one at that. Sure. I think we noted to say, Hey, you know, pay attention to what you're doing. Right. If you wanna stay here. Yeah. Just be, be aware that some of these voices, some of the sites are pretty tight. Yeah. And that's what we're doing right now. In fact, we're trying to plan for our return from Alaska and we've worked it all the way to Glacier.
Brian & Natalie
We're gonna hit Glacier again. We've been to two medicines. We know what sites are good. We do <laugh> and we're trying to get those, you know, eight or 10 good sites along with, you know, half a million other people so far. Yeah. Yeah. We, we've been on eight o'clock the last three mornings trying to get campsites in Glacier and we failed three mornings in a row. So let's see how many more mornings it's gonna be before we can try to get reservations. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
Last week we spoke with our
Peggy Barthel
Friend Scott, and Alicia told us about Wandering Labs and you can sign up and say, I want one of these eight sites, one of these four days or three of these four days or whatever. And it will let you know if one of those sites becomes available
Tony Barthel
Because there's always cancellations and it like keeps check-in and then it'll send you a, well, if you have a paid subscription, which is like 25 bucks, it'll send you a text and if you have the free subscription, then it sends you an email and says, Hey, a site just became available better go reserve it. Yeah.
Brian & Natalie
We're gonna go do
Tony Barthel
That. Yeah. Wandering labs.com. Yeah.
Brian & Natalie
We've got a couple apps to do something similar and it's like, you gotta be on it.
Tony Barthel
Oh yeah. It's become both better and worse because of
Peggy Barthel
Right.
Tony Barthel
These things. So,
Brian & Natalie
Well we've learned that the Canadian is a completely different animal. The Canadian National Park or the Canadian doctor, they, it behaves a lot different than, maybe that's the direction we need to go. I don't know, but it was a little bit better maybe Right. To, to get reservations at Jasper and Lake Louis. You know, they open on one day for the whole season and that, that was, that was an amazing experience to, to go online and get reservations there. Luckily we succeeded there, but that was a whole A whole thing.
Brian & Natalie
Yes.
Tony Barthel
Kinda like Balloon Fiesta in Al Albuquerque, <laugh>. It's like they open you up.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah.
Tony Barthel
It's like, okay,
Peggy Barthel
We open at nine. At 9 0 3, we're sold out. So good luck.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. And it's like if you have a lousy internet connection, you are not getting on.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
This year we had some friends who have a really good internet connection. They
Peggy Barthel
Were at home base and they called, we can still get in, do you want a site? And I'm like, yeah, gimme
Tony Barthel
A site. Yes. <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. A lot of times those type of events, the only way you can get in is from a tour company. 'cause they booked, right, because they booked so early. Yeah, yeah,
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Yeah. Two years ago we actually volunteered and that's how we got into work the festival. And that was, we
Peggy Barthel
Did like a group with Escapees.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. It was through Escapees. Yeah. And it was a lot of work, but a lot of fun. That
Brian & Natalie
Right. There's a good tip. You volunteered there. I like that. Yeah. That's a good argument.
Tony Barthel
The the good thing is, you know, you're getting on the field before pretty much anyone else. And oftentimes before the shuttle buses are running from the campground and you can't take your bicycle to the field. So you have to take your bike and lock it in a like a impound and then from there walk a mile and a half to the field. So, but you know what? Who cares? It was an adventure. Adventure that I'll never forget. Yeah. And Peggy got to go up in a balloon so it did.
Brian & Natalie
That sounds awesome. Yeah,
Peggy Barthel
It was <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. That's great. We've never been, it's on our list <laugh>. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
If you do, we will probably be around. Yeah. So
Brian & Natalie
<laugh>,
Tony Barthel
Sometimes we escape during balloon Fiesta <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah. Or just stay hunker down. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
<affirmative>. Yeah.
Peggy Barthel
We can see there. It's about 10 miles through the air to the balloon field so we can stay home and see, you know, you can't see 'em close up. You can't really tell what design, you can't pick out a balloon. But you can see the hundreds of balloons in the air way out there from the comfort of your own back porch.
Tony Barthel
And you can see the fireworks though. And
Peggy Barthel
You can see the fireworks. Yeah. <laugh>.
Brian & Natalie
See that's still fun. You don't have to be there. You could get some fun outta it.
Tony Barthel
Oh yeah, yeah. There's no complaints. So, well Brian and Natalie, it is, it has been a real pleasure having you and sharing your adventure and of course we will put a link to your YouTube channel so people can go and join your adventure. We look forward to having you back when you go to Alaska or Yeah, anytime.
Brian & Natalie
That sounds great. Yeah, we'd love to talk about Alaska 'cause hopefully it's gonna be spectacular.
Tony Barthel
I would imagine. And thank you for not sharing any stories about what a dark I was in high school, <laugh>.
Peggy Barthel
Oh that would take a whole episode.
Brian & Natalie
<laugh>. Yeah, we watch over. Yeah. <laugh>.
Peggy Barthel
So, so this is again, Brian and Natalie from Base Camp Blue Sky. You can find them on YouTube and other places or just YouTube.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah, we've got Instagram as well.
Peggy Barthel
Okay. And we appreciate you spending time with us and hope that we get to talk to you again really soon.
Brian & Natalie
Yeah, thank you so much.
Tony Barthel
Oh, thank you. Welcome back. Welcome
Peggy Barthel
Back. So last week when we were interviewing Scott and Alicia, I interrupted to talk about campground views and this week while we were talking to Natalie and Brian, I interrupted to talk about wandering labs, but I also kind of wanted to talk about campground views. They were talking about not knowing if they were gonna fit in certain sites and stuff. And campground views is a great way to solve that problem. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
It is a free resource where you can actually go in and see where you're going. So it's sort of like Google Earth for campgrounds, like
Peggy Barthel
The street view.
Tony Barthel
Right. It's right. It's Google Street view sort of thing. But you can go and hey, if you don't want trees 'cause of starlink or whatever, you can see how much trees there are on a site or what, whatever it is. How far away the hookups are, those kind of things. Well we talked to Mark today and came out, came out with two conclusions, one, now they've added way points to campground views mapping system. So, so another new feature. Yeah.
Peggy Barthel
While you're making your routing. If you de, if you think you're gonna go and stop here and then you decide to stop there. Instead you can move, add, change the way points on your routes. Mark also let us know about a super secret discount.
Tony Barthel
Now wait a minute, wait a minute. I just said it was a free tool. Why do you need a discount? Well
Peggy Barthel
There is a free version, there's also a paid version. Now the paid version is only $29 a year. Yeah. You hardly need a discount. But if you are interested in a 10 year membership, which is only, I think about half price of ten one year memberships, you can also use the code happy to get a 25% discount off of that 10 year membership.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. So it gives you more ability to save things, more ability to kind of drill down. So that's the advantage of having a paid membership. Right. And with this discount, it's super, super affordable.
Peggy Barthel
It's almost the a one year price to get 10 years by the time you get all these discounts.
Tony Barthel
I don't know about that. Peggy has her shoes on. She can only count to 10. Can't count that
Peggy Barthel
<laugh>.
Tony Barthel
But anyway, we'll put a link in the show notes where you can get a discount on a 10 year membership to campground views, which is a pretty smoking deal.
Peggy Barthel
And if you missed that episode 2 93, when we talked to Mark Kepp, he talked about the way points and the routing and other things that they, they've just been like making the site better and better
Tony Barthel
On time. Yeah. It just keeps getting better. Yeah. So where did we go?
Peggy Barthel
Well we've been to, well this week we haven't really been anywhere, but we're catching up on all the places that we had been. And Tony has written some campground reviews and so we stayed at the River Sands and Berg, which is right on the river that separates Arizona from California, the Colorado River, Colorado River. And so it's, if when you're standing in the campground you can actually see Bly California. Yeah. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
In fact, here's a funny thing. So it's in a town called Berg <affirmative> and
Peggy Barthel
You're like, it's in Arizona. Oh
Tony Barthel
But that's, yeah, right on the border of Arizona and California if you go, so they have a sandy beach there that you can go into the Colorado River, you could swim across and go from Arizona to California. Yeah. But <laugh>, if you have your phone with you, sometimes it thinks it's in California and sometimes it thinks it's in Yeah. Arizona. And it's like a time zone. A time zone changed. A time zone changed. Yeah. So it's kind of funny.
Peggy Barthel
So we were standing on the beach and Tony thought it was eight 30 and I thought it was nine 30 'cause I <laugh> when really, because his changed to California time and five
Tony Barthel
O', it's o'clock somewhere. Yeah. These sites, they have several hundred really well maintained site sites. Truthfully, the campground, from a visual standpoint, it's clean, it's flat, but it's pretty deserty. Right. There's not a lot of trees and all of that good stuff. They have a main clubhouse that has all kinds of interactive games, you know, pool and foosball and, and Jenga and on and on and on. They have a nice pool.
Tony Barthel
They, they were doing water aerobics when we were there. Yep. They have a nice hot tub that we enjoyed quite a bit. And really nice laundry facilities, something they're doing that I thought was really unusual. You can buy a pre-chosen modular rv. It's a park model is what they call, they're called. So they give you a choice of, you know, these units and you can buy one and just put it there and keep it there.
Tony Barthel
So you have a place you can always go to. Yeah. So, and I'm like, well why? I mean truthfully Berg, why would you want to go there? <laugh>? Well a lot of off-roading and at v riding water stuff in the Colorado River Desert stuff, you could go to court site if you want. You can go to Blythe and you can go into Palm Springs <affirmative>. So there's actually a lot of reasons to go and it was, I thought everything was exceptionally well maintained and super, super clean.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah. Now potentially there's things to do in Berg, but we weren't there long enough to really find out and it kind of didn't, nobody said, you better make sure you go to this place or that place. So really kind of having a home base at, in Ehrenberg at River Sands is a, seems like a good idea. Even if you're not gonna do a lot in Annenberg. But even that, as Tony said, that campground, so these are, this week and the next couple weeks we're probably gonna talk about the campgrounds that we stayed at that are part of CRR hospitality.
Peggy Barthel
And this is one of them. And what, one of the things I really dig about all these facilities is that they have this beautiful bath slash laundry house. Right. So there'll be a laundry room with various number of washer and dryers and then also four to six individual unisex bathrooms with showers. And they very clean and well maintained and it's a really nice place to be.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. It's, I mean especially if you're there for Quar site, it's probably, they also have some rental units that, that are also park models that I would stay in those anytime over the hotels that are near Quartz
Peggy Barthel
Site. Right. Right. So if you're, so if you're looking at the idea of going to Quartzite next year, maybe you don't have, or you're not able to take your rv, this is maybe a good option. Get one of those rental places from the River Sands at Berg and Yeah. Come and see us at the show. Yeah. <laugh>. So while we were in Quartzite, which, you know, it takes us two or three months to stop talking about quartzite 'cause Yeah.
Tony Barthel
You know, and then we start talking about it again
Peggy Barthel
And then we start Yeah,
Tony Barthel
We like it there.
Peggy Barthel
Right. So, you know, we have a brand new travel trailer and it did, it has all one key, which is nice. But I also really, really, really like the feature of not having a key, at least on one door. So we did buy a new RV lock for one of the two doors on the mini light. And Tony installed it in like, it was four seconds. I don't know it very
Tony Barthel
Short time. It was so easy. It's a screwdriver job that anybody can do. It was super, super easy. And so we made a video about the RV lock, which we will share of course down in the show notes. But I basically live caught my Yeah, yeah. Video of installing it and I mean I've done it before, but it's, it's so easy to do. And something I noticed the new, so this is what our third RV lock,
Peggy Barthel
I think this is our, it's our fourth trailer. And I don't remember if we swapped over the RV lock or if it's our fourth RV lock.
Tony Barthel
Anyway,
Peggy Barthel
We've definitely had it on every trailer.
Tony Barthel
Something I noticed the improvement in the quality of the product Yes. Is remarkable. It the, well it has, so the RV lock is like a push button keypad for your door <affirmative>. And it, the new one that we installed really had some heft to it and the door handle inside and out are metal, not plastic. And the, the plunger and all of that are better quality metal than what you're gonna get standard in any rv. Pretty much.
Tony Barthel
The keypad has really been improved. That's where we did have trouble with our first one with the keypad, but the, to their credit, the company just sent us a new one, no questions asked.
Peggy Barthel
Right. Yeah. It was in the, the real older generation that we got in like 17 or 18 2017 was like a plastic coated Yeah. Keypad. And now they're like silicone coated. So we haven't had one wear out since then. But then of course we don't keep trailers long enough to wear anybody out <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
But just the quality and the remote too are much higher quality than in the past. And something, if you've ever had one of those RV locks, you know, you press the buttons to unlock it and the sound is like, you can hear it 10 campers away. Right, right. This new one has all these pleasant little chimes that
Peggy Barthel
And they're, yeah. And they're, you can hear it, you can maybe even hear it at your truck, but you probably can't hear it in the next campground. It's a,
Tony Barthel
Yeah. It's not gonna wake people
Peggy Barthel
Up. It's not as obnoxious and it's not as loud.
Tony Barthel
In fact, when I first, so it's kind of a clamshell type of deal when you put it into a door and you put it together, you connect the wires, there's just a connector in there and then you put it together and it starts talking to you. It's like, yes, would you like to set up your remote and all that? And it's the attention to detail that they've put into this, it's clear, you know, it's a good company. Anyway. Yeah. So we like these RV locks and I believe we have a discount, so we'll put that in our show notes too.
Tony Barthel
I wrote to them just to confirm.
Peggy Barthel
Okay, well we made another video this week, man, we
Tony Barthel
Are
Peggy Barthel
Busy. We are video making peoples this week we're
Tony Barthel
Burning up the hard drives. Literally.
Peggy Barthel
Literally. That's
Tony Barthel
A brick is Yeah, it is. This was a four terabyte hard drive and now it's just a, a brick. So
Peggy Barthel
Anyway, when did we see this? In September at Open House. We saw, wait,
Tony Barthel
It's taken us a while to catch
Peggy Barthel
Up. Yeah, we saw the Coachman Freedom Express Select 19 se. Yeah,
Tony Barthel
This is a small two axle travel trailer and I would call it a couple's camper. It has a lot of neat little attention to detail fe features like the utensil drawer
Peggy Barthel
<laugh>,
Tony Barthel
And there's a lot of neat attention to detail things. We have a full written review@stresslesscamping.com and a video that you can watch@stresslesscamping.com or wherever you get your YouTube videos. Mostly a good report on this, a few things I didn't like. And of course we have our RV report card so you can check out what we thought of what and all of that.
Peggy Barthel
So, you know, I've been kind of lazy and I've been leaving the question of the week for the last maybe three weeks asking for your RV stories. And I really, really appreciate that you shared those stories. I, I might leave this pinned. I am gonna ask a new question though, because you guys are <laugh>. You're gonna wonder what the heck's wrong with me if I don't <laugh>, but I might leave it pinned anyway because I love reading and hearing about people's like, you know, why they are campers.
Peggy Barthel
Yeah. So, so I thought maybe this week I would ask, well actually Tony thought of this. What exciting plans do you have for your 2025 Stressless Camping Adventures?
Tony Barthel
Well, did you know you could answer that question and ask your own questions and all of that. At our Stresses campers Facebook group,
Peggy Barthel
We keep it fun, we keep it friendly
Tony Barthel
And there's some really smart people in there. Yeah. So don't feel shy about asking questions.
Peggy Barthel
Did you know we also write a once a week newsletter that's absolutely, totally and positively free and has links to stories and videos and podcasts and whatever we find that we think will help you get the most out of your RV experience. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
All you have to do is visit our website and you can sign up at the bottom of just about any page. But we also put those sign up things in articles all over the place. But do know that A, we never share your information, we only send one email a week and we try to keep it fun.
Peggy Barthel
Yes. So when you go on the website to sign up for the newsletter, if you haven't already, you can also find the show notes for episode number 2 95. Well, for any episode really, 2 95. But this is episode 2 95. Just go to the podcast page and you know, we're getting closer to 300 maybe.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. We think we want to do some kind of a big diddly
Peggy Barthel
Bomb. Well, let's not promise, but we don't, let's not over promise. That
Tony Barthel
Might just be another episode. Who
Peggy Barthel
Knows? Also, check out our new, it's not really a new page, but it has a new name. Our favorite RV products and services page.
Tony Barthel
Yeah. Those are the things you'll need to help you with your stress as camping adventure. Actually, I've done a lot of work this past week on the website,
Peggy Barthel
On the whole website, so, so this page has the products and services. Some have discounts, some are affiliates of ours, some are just things we really like. You know, there's a link to our Amazon page and if you don't have any other, you know, reason not to, it's great. If you can go to our site and then link to Amazon, it gives us, I don't know, a percent or something a time. A percent of a percent. And
Tony Barthel
It doesn't change the price you paid.
Peggy Barthel
Right. It doesn't change anything from your end. Yeah.
Tony Barthel
It helps support the Stressless Camping podcast, which we appreciate.
Peggy Barthel
And once you're done shopping there <laugh> and you're done with a website, you can jump off to all those social places that we are.
Tony Barthel
Yep. And of course, if you don't want to miss a future episode of the Stressless Camping podcast, it is free to subscribe on any podcast app or on YouTube.
Peggy Barthel
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Tony Barthel
Yes, indeed. And of course, clicking like share making comments and all of that stuff does help the algorithm to say, Hey, people are actually watching or listening to this thing and
Peggy Barthel
Paying enough attention to know when to click, like and share <laugh>.
Tony Barthel
It's true.
Peggy Barthel
<laugh>. So it's something else that really helps a lot is if you can write a review on the podcast catcher that you use or anywhere that you know says, write a review. We love it when you do. We really appreciate it. Yeah,
Tony Barthel
But only the good ones. No, I'm just kidding.
Peggy Barthel
<laugh>. No, not only the good ones
Tony Barthel
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Peggy Barthel
It's print, whole website and hand it out of the grocery store. <laugh>. No, don't do that. I mean, you can but probably don't want to. Don't want piece of paper <laugh>. Okay. Before we get any more ridiculous, we better say goodbye for this week. Thank you for joining us. See you next week. Hoist a beverage and
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